Boz
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Post by Boz on Apr 14, 2010 18:11:24 GMT -5
I realize this is still anonymous sourcing, but what the hey! My guy (or is it gal?!!?) has met and spoken with Reed, and he (or she?) is confident that Hoyas will be impressed and excited to have him on the team. Combined with generally good press coming out of Cleveland, I don't see any reason to discount him as a good leader of the AD. At the very least, we'll have an actual Athletic Director, and that's gotta count for something, right? Your guy or gal should pick a gender. No fun going through life all confused like that.  Thanks for the info. I could care less where this guy comes from, only that he was successful there. Sounds like he was that. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2010 18:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 14, 2010 19:04:03 GMT -5
congrats to him good luck to him we are one now so lets support him LETS BUILD THAT PRACTICE FACILITY need it ps didnt rollie massamino coach at clevland state after nove just wonderING GO HOYAS WELCOME WE WILL HELP YOU SUCCEED ..
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Post by Buckets on Apr 14, 2010 19:05:06 GMT -5
Seriously? I thought it was embarrassing that our last AD left us for Delaware. Cleveland Friggen State? The AD at a school whose athletic conference I can't remotely name off the top of my head? But it's cool, before that he was an assistant AD at East Michigan so we should be good. Awesome. In similar news, I heard my nephew's 8th grade social studies teacher has been appointed dean of the SFS. Cleveland State had a familiar name in their employ as basketball coach a few years back, but you probably shouldn't look up who it is. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 14, 2010 19:14:35 GMT -5
Seriously? I thought it was embarrassing that our last AD left us for Delaware. Cleveland Friggen State? The AD at a school whose athletic conference I can't remotely name off the top of my head? But it's cool, before that he was an assistant AD at East Michigan so we should be good. Awesome. In similar news, I heard my nephew's 8th grade social studies teacher has been appointed dean of the SFS. Cleveland State had a familiar name in their employ as basketball coach a few years back, but you probably shouldn't look up who it is. We know. |
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Post by rchoya06 on Apr 14, 2010 19:56:42 GMT -5
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 14, 2010 20:11:19 GMT -5
This is just as crazy as hiring a high school coach to be your college men's basketball coach.  |
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Post by sleepy on Apr 14, 2010 20:20:00 GMT -5
SF and we know how that worked out.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 14, 2010 20:29:50 GMT -5
who did you guys think Georgetown was going to get?
they last guy left for Delaware.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 14, 2010 20:36:07 GMT -5
The job of an athletic director is not an easy one anywhere and especially not at Georgetown. Reed needs our support because there is no margin for error.
Issue One: Facilities. Georgetown needs $100 million in facilities upgrades now...not 2015, not 2020, now. None of CSU's somewhat limited facilities were built under Reed's watch, and his budget was only 235th in Division I. He needs to be able to walk into offices and secure seven and eight figure gifts. When? Now.
Issue Two: Revenues. Georgetown is fielding 29 sports and only one returns significant income. Women's basketball has shown no revenue trail, and unless you build the MSF and actually start to win some games, football hasn't either. Both are part of the future, however, because there must be a broader revenue stream that allows Georgetown to meet its objectives and athletic obligations--a broad based athletic program is vital to Georgetown and DeGioia is clear in as saying he is not in the business of cutting sports.
Issue Three: Scholarships. Georgetown is a decade behind its peers in scholarship support and it is showing in the slow but measurable decline of many of its teams outside basketball over the past 10 years. If GU cannot sustain scholarship funding it will not have a future in the Big East. Period.
Issue Four: Practice Facility. (See John Thompson's comments, 2/10/07. Enough said.)
Issue Five: Capital Campaign. Georgetown is close (or reasonably so) to a $1.5B capital campaign. If athletics does not get its collective act together for the launch, it will be left behind.
(Oh, and maintain superb grades, no trouble off-campus, and compete for NCAA championships.)
It's not an easy job for anyone. Support is vital.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2010 20:39:14 GMT -5
Not that I care at all about football, but i do think it's interesting we took an athletic director from a school with out a football team. Could mean nothing( most likely) or could mean we're looking to go away from football rather than to make a full commitment to it.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 14, 2010 20:39:45 GMT -5
So he played at Cleveland St until 1983 and then coach New Mexico from 1984-1986 but then got his degree from New Mexico in 1992? I am confused. Did he not go to class at Cleveland St? Me too.  |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 14, 2010 20:41:43 GMT -5
Not that I care at all about football, but i do think it's interesting we took an athletic director from a school with out a football team. Could mean nothing( most likely) or could mean we're looking to go away from football rather than to make a full commitment to it. Bernard Muir was the former chief football administrator at Notre Dame, and didn't change the commitment level, did he? "Full commitment" and "Patriot League Football" are not often in the same sentence. And you should care about football. There is significant funding "sitting it out" right now that could elevate football's (and athletics') fortunes quickly, and Georgetown knows it. It takes more than an AD to fight that battle, however. So he played at Cleveland St until 1983 and then coach New Mexico from 1984-1986 but then got his degree from New Mexico in 1992? I am confused. Did he not go to class at Cleveland St? Reed did not graduate at CSU. Years later, after his term as assistant coach at UNM but before returning to the department, head coach Larry Shyatt asked him to complete his degree, which he did in 1992 before returning to UNM's athletic administration. |
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Post by reformation on Apr 14, 2010 20:49:43 GMT -5
The job of an athletic director is not an easy one anywhere and especially not at Georgetown. Reed needs our support because there is no margin for error. Issue One: Facilities. Georgetown needs $100 million in facilities upgrades now...not 2015, not 2020, now. None of CSU's somewhat limited facilities were built under Reed's watch, and his budget was only 235th in Division I. He needs to be able to walk into offices and secure seven and eight figure gifts. When? Now. Issue Two: Revenues. Georgetown is fielding 29 sports and only one returns significant income. Women's basketball has shown no revenue trail, and unless you build the MSF and actually start to win some games, football hasn't either. Both are part of the future, however, because there must be a broader revenue stream that allows Georgetown to meet its objectives and athletic obligations--a broad based athletic program is vital to Georgetown and DeGioia is clear in as saying he is not in the business of cutting sports.--- Maybe he (DeGioia)should consider cutting a few sports and allocating the resources so that we can have more signature programs-just saying that he is not into cutting sports has been tantamount to supporting many mediocre efforts which really makes no sense--I really don't think we will(or should) be successful in raising a lot of money for programs that have no goals to operate on an elite level Re: the new AD hopefully he is good and certainly deserves our support and a chance to do well. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 14, 2010 21:04:24 GMT -5
Maybe he (DeGioia)should consider cutting a few sports and allocating the resources so that we can have more signature programs-just saying that he is not into cutting sports has been tantamount to supporting many mediocre efforts which really makes no sense--I really don't think we will(or should) be successful in raising a lot of money for programs that have no goals to operate on an elite level "Signature programs" is an oxymoron among schools which cut sports, because the money never, ever goes back into athletics. St. John's cut six sports in 2002, what are they better at today? This argument is like those who would argue that funding the Graduate School is preventing undergraduate programs from thriving. It's counterintuitive and something Georgetown is wise not to get involved in. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2010 21:46:32 GMT -5
I care about our football team to an extent, but i don't care about the sport personally, but as long as we have a team I will continue to cheer them on and go to games. But if we're not going to actually make a commitment to put a decent product on the field I wouldn't personally care if the program ceased to be. I would much rather see us put money towards it than cut it though. I'd like for us to make an effort to be a good IAA team one that has a chance of making the playoffs, that would be my goal.
I don't want to see us cut any sports programs most of our sports are competitive or are getting there. Since my time at georgetown. Evey sports team has improved or stayed at the same already quality level save football which has gotten worse every year somehow. Maybe baseball hasn't either not really sure.
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Post by reformation on Apr 14, 2010 21:49:06 GMT -5
Maybe he (DeGioia)should consider cutting a few sports and allocating the resources so that we can have more signature programs-just saying that he is not into cutting sports has been tantamount to supporting many mediocre efforts which really makes no sense--I really don't think we will(or should) be successful in raising a lot of money for programs that have no goals to operate on an elite level "Signature programs" is an oxymoron among schools which cut sports, because the money never, ever goes back into athletics. St. John's cut six sports in 2002, what are they better at today? This argument is like those who would argue that funding the Graduate School is preventing undergraduate programs from thriving. It's counterintuitive and something Georgetown is wise not to get involved in. Not really--Creating signature programs athletically and academically is a big part of what defines a top university-- Just look at how a school like Northwestern targets certain sports--that a few years ago did not exist and now are at the top of their sport like its women's lax(i think 3 NCAA titles in a row) or tennis. Northwestern does not have a track team(xc only)--it made a conscious decision not to compete where it did not feel it currently had the resources to be at an elite level--I'm sure that they could change their mind if their resource situation changes. Well run Universities take a cost benefit(including academic costs) to funding various sports--I guess merely having 29 sports could be a goal in itself(if the athletes were just ordinary students), but most are recruited and get considerable admissions help to get in-so there is a cost to us in fielding a team even if the financial costs are low If you assume that the resources for the ath dept are fixed then squandering money on programs that have no chance to be competitive definitely draws resources away from programs where more resources would make them competitive. Fundraising for athletics is highly correlated to the program's success or goals at least--hypothetically if we took baseball 6 schollies and gave them to golf--the golf team would be a lot better--same would be true in reverse--i don't think the existence or lack thereof of a golf or baseball team would have much of an impact on the other sport. Btw, some(not all) of Gtwn's marginal grad programs are a waste of resources too-if you allocated money wasted on the marginal programs to undergrad program it would be better too. |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 14, 2010 21:56:00 GMT -5
This argument is like those who would argue that funding the Graduate School is preventing undergraduate programs from thriving. It's counterintuitive and something Georgetown is wise not to get involved in. This is neither here nor there, but...that argument wouldn't make any sense because the Graduate School has very low funding as it is. It's the opposite argument that gets made all the time, albeit by the folks running graduate programs.... Anyway, I'm sure there are plenty of big donors sitting it out, for a variety of different reasons. But to date, I have not seen anything in any literature about the capital campaign that directly mentions athletics, outside of generic references to "facilities" and "the physical plant." So if there are some erstwhile Robert McDonough's sitting on the sidelines waiting for football - or even the athletic program in general - to be labeled a marquee priority, they might as well head for the showers now. |
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Post by thebin on Apr 14, 2010 22:22:46 GMT -5
This is just as crazy as hiring a high school coach to be your college men's basketball coach. Of course when we did that we were a regional catholic school never confused with an elite national university and with a crap basketball program. You are not supposed to do that when you have a nationally known program in the best hoops league in the country and you are a top 25 university nationally. |
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Post by jgalt on Apr 14, 2010 22:23:00 GMT -5
The best thing any AD could do is to lay out specifically what needs to be accomplished and when. Obviously we all know what needs to be accomplished regarding facilities, but to hear it form the administration would be nice.
Ill i want is an AD who will fight, vigorously, for the funding to finish the MSF, build a practice facility, and improve the strength and conditioning facilities (probably would go hand in hand with the practice facility).
Cutting sports wont work regardless of how the money is divided up (and who knows maybe somebody on the golf team is the next Tiger Woods and in 15 years wants to give the school 20 mil)
What i would like to know is what a School like Nova has done to get its Football program to such a competative level. It would seem to be that Gtown and Nova, from a football perspective, are very similar- small private catholic schools, with small budgets and marquee basketball programs. I dont think Nova has some uncle money bags funding all its athletics so they must be doing something that works. Or am i missing some huge factor?
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