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Post by hoyas big supporter on Jan 1, 2010 23:02:21 GMT -5
Worst case scenario we lose all of our games...I mean we did lost to cinci and st. johns last year. Who would've thought we'd lose to St. Johns twice after blowing out Uconn on their court? or who woulda thought we'd lose in the first round of the NIT after blowing out #2 UCONN ON THEIR COURT? nobody. its sports, theyre unpredictable
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Post by tashoya on Jan 1, 2010 23:15:05 GMT -5
If anyone thinks Henry isn't improving, you're just not watching. He's not making huge leaps from game to game but he's getting better. Believe that. Watch the first half of the game yesterday again.
I get the impression that Henry is affilicted with the Chris Wright syndrome on this board.... regardless of what he does, he's gonna have detractors. Chris had his Harvard game and the St. John's game and some are still not happy. That is flat out ridiculous. Yesterday was the first time I thought that Chris was an NBA player at some point. Others saw that way before me but yesterday he showed his full arsenal. Kid's a baller and, I feel, is going to personally get us wins this year. He is showing how he's improved and can carry us in many capacities.
Henry made some great passes and played much improved D in the 1st half yesterday. Don't let the St. John's run in the second negate his play in the first. He's coming along pretty well. And remember that these guys only get a couple of dozen games a year. To expect night and day from game to game is ridiculous. Let's at least give the kid a legit shot before bashing him. If he gets to 15 minutes a game and you feel like he's hurting us, unload then. Until that point, give the kid some room to learn and make mistakes. We have the luxury of a nice record with a pretty good preseaon schedule. And we have DePaul next. Let's turn a new leaf and cheer all of our Hoyas. I, for one, still think Henry is going to make his mark sooner rather than later. HOYA SAXA!
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Post by sleepy on Jan 1, 2010 23:27:37 GMT -5
If anyone thinks Henry isn't improving, you're just not watching. He's not making huge leaps from game to game but he's getting better. Believe that. Watch the first half of the game yesterday again. I get the impression that Henry is affilicted with the Chris Wright syndrome on this board.... regardless of what he does, he's gonna have detractors. Chris had his Harvard game and the St. John's game and some are still not happy. That is flat out ridiculous. Yesterday was the first time I thought that Chris was an NBA player at some point. Others saw that way before me but yesterday he showed his full arsenal. Kid's a baller and, I feel, is going to personally get us wins this year. He is showing how he's improved and can carry us in many capacities. Henry made some great passes and played much improved D in the 1st half yesterday. Don't let the St. John's run in the second negate his play in the first. He's coming along pretty well. And remember that these guys only get a couple of dozen games a year. To expect night and day from game to game is ridiculous. Let's at least give the kid a legit shot before bashing him. If he gets to 15 minutes a game and you feel like he's hurting us, unload then. Until that point, give the kid some room to learn and make mistakes. We have the luxury of a nice record with a pretty good preseaon schedule. And we have DePaul next. Let's turn a new leaf and cheer all of our Hoyas. I, for one, still think Henry is going to make his mark sooner rather than later. HOYA SAXA! agree 100%. Except I don't think Henry is going to have as harsh detractors as Chris. Eventually people will see, this board just has trouble with patience and doesn't always notice the little things. Henry, from seeing him last year, Kenner and this year, probably has the best court vision of any big man on the team and some of the best passing as well. He just lets his nerves get the better of him sometimes, so he doesn't excute well. The more he plays the better he will be, of this I am sure. It was also good to see him standing almost the whole game.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 1, 2010 23:38:31 GMT -5
sleepy... Henry on the bench reminded me of Hollis last year. Speaks volumes to me as to how much he's invested himself in the team and that's the biggest thing we seemed to be missing last year. Feels like the old days.
For the others out there... it's a new year... let's CHEER for the kid you think is struggling. Let's see how he does with unflappable support as opposed to bashing a kid for a change. You never know. It might work!
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Post by tashoya on Jan 1, 2010 23:41:32 GMT -5
And, if Chris has games remotely close to the game he had yesterday, any detractors need to get a reality check. His decisions were nearly flawless and he sped it up and slowed it down at exactly the right times. If ya didn't notice, we won the game because he provided exactly what we needed at every given time. I couldn't give a higher compliment. He was our general yesterday and he acted like it.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 2, 2010 0:30:17 GMT -5
Stop being stupid wrt Henry Sims - sure he is a bit tentative at times, but he was also +11 in the SJU game - team outscored SJU by 11 in HS minutes. Let's take a close look, play by play for HS minutes:
First half: Off: HS enters game after under 16 TV TO, GU down one, CW hits three. D: JC gets D board after SJU miss. Fouled in the backcourt. Off: CW hits jumper. D: HS flashes out on switch at top of key, recovers to seal baseline and force TO, Off: leads to CW layup. D: Evans puts down fancy spin move and hits lefty scoop in lane over HS, probably used the arm to shove off initiating the spin. Off: Sims to Clark for beauty assist. D: Evans definitely charges this time, HS avoids fouling but gives up the deuce. Off: CW jacks quick airball. D: HS only one back on 3 on 1 break, SJU fumbles ball, HT ties them up and SJU retains. HS shuts down lane on Hardy driving, HS takes ball away. Off: CW pushes ball up, SJU tips it OB. Inbound to HS, dishes to CW for open tres, another HS assist. D: Hardy misses 3, CW rebbie. Leads to... Off: pretty CW to JV off the glass sequence.
18-2 GU run concludes after HS is taken out following under 12 TV TO. GU up 11.
Off: HS re-enters game after GU timeout at 8:53. CW trapped near the circle, bailed out by A) HS flashing up lane for open pass and B) nickel dime foul on Booth. AF hits off balance jumper. D: HS on Evans again, another spin move on the lane this time, HS fouls before the shot. SJU misses three and JC rebound. Off: CW layup, pretty Monroe assist. D: Burrell travels into under 8 TV TO. Off: Another Monroe assist to AF for layup. D: Boothe drives lane, dishes to Evans after HS slides to stop drive. Unable to recover, HS fouls Evans on layup. 1-2 at line. (by the way, who spells Booth with an “e” at the end? Really…) Off: GM layup or something. D: Missed switch leads to wide open 3 for Hardy. Henry might should have been the guy who flashed out on him, but really it was CW stuck on a monster pick who could not get back out. Off: JC stripped getting to rim, D: GM somehow disrupts break, rebound = HS. Off: GM layup after various bobbles (and CW not throwing entry pass to GM matched up on 6’1” Booth)
HS out, GU up 10. SJU runs off 6 pts.
D: HS back in at 1:03, GU up 4, fails to get hand on Burrell, who is covered by GM but on the edge of HS’ wing. SJU 2. Off: AF three. D: HS rebound, prolly OB but hey, no whistle. GU up 5
Vesper half:
D: HS enters game at 13:50. Flashes out on switch at top of key, recovers too late and his guy Brownlee hits 3. Off: GM assist on AF dunk. D: HS gets a hand up on Brownlee, misses 3. GU rebound. Off: HT zips pass to HS driving hoop, deflected but HS grabs it anyway, crisp pass to GM in lane as HS falls OB, GM takes one dribble and gets fouled going up, no assist. D: Broken play by SJU and Brownlee hits absurd fall-away jumper over HS, who was shifting back after shutting down lane on the driving guard. Off: GM beauty dribble drive and dunk. D: SJU misses layup, rebounds miss and Henry tackles Evans who gets called for traveling. Replay show HS held his leg up to cause the travel, BEast ball. D: Errant GU inbounds, HS shifts on pick and essentially blocks Brownlee driving lane. Evans finds ball and lays in. Off: GM fouled. Turnover on CW who thought ball was off SJU. He was wright. D: Brownlee drives on HS, dunks. No interior help at all. Off: HS airmails entry pass to GM, right in front of JTIII and bench. HS immediately cringes, hides head in hands. Bad pass, good reaction. D: This time Brownlee gets ball at same spot on HS, who gives him a cushion. Brownlee drains a three, despite shooting 17% coming into the game. Off: HS gets sweet pass from CW, stripped but ball called OB off HS. Dubious call.
HS to bench at 9something, GU up 2. (SJU takes lead immediately after HS leaves game. Coincidence?)
I challenge any one on this board to re-watch last night's game and tell me what exactly Henry did that warrants all the bile spewed at him today. He helped spark a monster 1st half run that put us up big, he got beat a couple of times and had some bad luck between guy hitting goofy shots over him and those two TOs, one (maybe) tipped off his leg and one where GM was so effective getting position that HS' pass bounced straight into the front row. This guy is playing HARD, he is getting some results and he is IMPROVING. Go ahead and spew more hate, but the team was +11 when HS was on the court. Until you can explain that, leave the kid alone or support his efforts. Anything less is pure Editedbaggery.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 2, 2010 3:25:39 GMT -5
Thank seaweed, I was wondering if there was a place to get a players +/- numbers, but this is good. I figured his numbers would be pretty solid because, as I said earlier maybe in another thread, we played our best basketball when he was on the court. I only noticed because it surprised me in the first half because I figured St Johns would be a horrible match-up for him and Vaughn we do better. I was dissappointed in his bad streak, only because I knew that was the only thing people would remember, and a big part of it was some bad luck mixed with some bad matchups along with some nerves and bad decisions. Oh well, rather be underated than overrated by this board I suppose. I've noticed once people start hyping a player his play starts to dip off a little, (see Clark,Jason for the most reason case) and once they start writing you off they start to pick it up(see Wright, Chris for the most reason case.) Same goes for team though once we think they are great, bam they go bad( 2009) but once we give up hope bam they go to a final four(2007) I call it the curse of hoyatalk.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 2, 2010 8:23:46 GMT -5
From my vantage point behind the bench, when Henry was taken out, JTIII made sure to give him encouragement and gave him big pat on the back/head to let him know to keep his head up, don't be discouraged. I think Henry tends to get down on himself when he makes mistakes and needs exactly that kind of encouragement.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 2, 2010 8:43:10 GMT -5
don't we all SS, don't we all. III has his work cut out for him building up HS' confidence if he takes a look at this board, where everyone feels like saying nasty ship about 19 year old kids is REALLY cool.
Sleepy - I had read your comment about playing our best ball in HS' 1st half minutes, one of the reasons I went through the game tape and checked his "actual" performance vs "perceived" performance. Henry made mistakes, no doubt about it, but getting burned by Brownlee for the dunk and three on back to back possessions was not nearly as egregious as some folks here seem to think and overall HS minutes were productive.
By the way, I got the +/- from HoyaProspectus' - I never did the math to see if my narrative version adds up accurately. CW in particular seems to thrive with HS in the game, but in general we moved well, moved the ball well and had good results when HS was in there.
Haters hate.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 2, 2010 9:21:41 GMT -5
Must be hard to play for a major program these days, when there are hundreds of frustrated coaches racing home to their keyboards after every game to evaluate your performance and impart their wisdom on the internet masses. Hopefully, these kids are smart enough not to read this stuff. Truth be told, Sims is better than last month and last year, but still not good enough to get some real significant minutes during quality time. The kid needs to be nurtured and encouraged because he is very likely a critical component of this team for the remainder of this year and next, when Monroe will likely be gone. Guaranteed that Monroe and Vaughn cannot continue to escape foul trouble ( or sickness or injury) for the rest of the season. JT III knows this and has got to figure out how to keep moving Sims in the right direction. My problem is that he has not played more this year. Cannot get to where we want him to be unless he is on the floor.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Jan 2, 2010 9:23:41 GMT -5
Liked Henry's first half yesterday, and Henry was standing and encouraging the team most of his time on the bench. There were two people on the bench standing: JTIII and Henry. His heart and head are in the right place, so I still have hope that his game will eventually take off like we know it can.
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Post by ahoya2 on Jan 2, 2010 11:28:33 GMT -5
I think Henry is slowly improving and has a great attitude. He is going to be ok. Don't forget, he is a big goofy kid and still has to grow into his body. Not every big kid is a Kevin Durant at a young age. Unlike our recently departed big guy to Florida, Henry doesn't sulk on the bench, works hard, has good hands and vision---Let him slowly get experience and confidence and earn his PT.
As for Chris, he is now the real deal. A leader and baller.
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Post by bigelephant on Jan 2, 2010 12:02:33 GMT -5
Amen! Bro - I like Henry so much I went out and bought 3 dozen OH HENRY bars. And you know what? They good just like Henry will be if frustrated wannabes don't run him off.
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 2, 2010 12:45:37 GMT -5
All we can ask for is for these guys to work hard and consistently improve. Here's to 10 minutes each for Henry, Vee and Jerrelle in the Depaul game
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 2, 2010 16:02:13 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Jan 2, 2010 17:03:44 GMT -5
Don't try to confuse people with your lousy facts HSB
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Post by pfhoya86 on Jan 2, 2010 18:29:51 GMT -5
The reality is that HS is our only big man option off the bench. In BE conference play, I'd be thrilled with 12-15 productive minutes a night. We are going to need that level of contribution from HS if we are to contend with the top BE teams. Eventually either GM or JV will get into foul trouble, and this will be the time that "separates the men from the boys" for HS.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Jan 2, 2010 23:47:54 GMT -5
PF get's it. From last year I was concerned about depth and the effect which Sims has on that aspect of the team. Without him improving big and fast or very fast development of freshman and small ball, we will be in real trouble playing teams like Nova with greater depth.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 3, 2010 1:09:26 GMT -5
Nova is so overrated. Their big men are not good. We will beat nova.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2010 1:16:04 GMT -5
Not true. I think Jerrelle has tools right now that can really help us. Also, Henry is improving. I swear he is. I think, after having seen the preseason games, that he's really coming along. There's been a lot to like about Henry from November to now. I really think that we're going to have 2 bigs as options off of the bench in about a month that will be used situationally. If we need offense, it'll be Henry. If we need defense and boarding, it'll be Jerrelle. It may be partially that I'm a huge homer but I really like what I've seen from this group of guys. Jerrelle and Henry included. Couple that with the fact that I'm hopeful for their progress and I think JT3 is doing a phenomenal job getting these guys on board this year and I think this team really has a shot to do well. We like to analyze and discuss transfers and all of the machinations and reasons for kids leaving. I really feel like Henry is a 4 year kid and knows he's a 4 year kid and knew that coming in. I have a feeling that he felt like JT3 was the guy to help him improve his game and we're definitely seeing that improvement. I always try to keep in mind when watching our guys that offensive or defensive gaffes are much easier to spot than offensive and (especially) defensive play that is solid. It's why I watch wins and losses more than once. I truly believe that Henry's work is paying off and we'll be pleasantly surprised and somewhat lamenting the Henry bashing by the end of the year.
In any case, there's a lot to be happy about with this team. From Julian's jump to Chris transforming his game to Jason really emerging as a great player to Greg being more assertive to Austin being even better than he was as a freshman.... We've gotten a lot between the end of last season and the beginning of this one which is not a lot of time in terms of time to improve. I see Henry working and I can see how much he's trying and how much he's into the game and I can't fault him for not yet being able to start. I think Julian has set the bar very high for Henry and I hope that that's going to be a great thing for the team.
HOYA SAXA!
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