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Post by FLHoya on Aug 8, 2009 20:03:30 GMT -5
A late arriving crowd at the Kenner League today.
Maybe I'm partially to blame--I was guilty yesterday of the cardinal sin of Kenner League (okay, the other cardinal sin--I didn't eat a hot dog). I trusted a schedule that I didn't have in my hand and that didn't come from...ummmm...the Kenner League snack bar.
So sorry to anyone who showed up at 2:10 for the Clyde's-DCX game. What happened was I had copied down version 2.0 of the KL schedule--the paper copy from the snack bar on the first weekend--but I don't have an actual copy. When I was writing last night's recap, I'd forgotten the name of the team DCX played, so I pulled up what I assumed was the "updated" KL schedule on GUHoyas.com.
And it IS the updated schedule--in the sense that the games occur in the proper order on the appointed days. Only trouble--the times for the Saturday games are off by an hour. So when my buddy hoyasincebirth asked me this morning whether the first game was at 1:10 or 2:10...well, shoot.
I drove down "early" to double-check, and spent the 2nd half of Beyond Belief-Bearcats trudging up to the Leavey Center to make a Vittles pit stop. Walked back down through the new McDonough School of Business building via its Leavey Esplanade. Gorgeous facility--highly recommend checking it out next time you're on campus if you've yet to do so.
However, after a few visits last May...it took me until today to find a clear flaw in the building. Since there is SO much skylight in that giant atrium area in the center of the building, even with the A/C cranking it gets ridiculously hot in there on an August afternoon...like sitting in your locked car in a parking lot for a minute or so.
Also, with construction still ongoing on the roads and walkways around the MSF, the "lower" entrance to the building is still out there on an island in that campus hub that is the road to Yates.
Back to the Road to...whatever the Kenner League calls its playoff season.
DCX 58 CLYDES 49
Chris Wright sat out today's game, possibly still nursing the tweaked ankle he suffered during last night's DCX victory. No braces, no ice, just a regular old sock for Chris on the left ankle
As for Greg Monroe, he's probably back in Bayou country by now. So this game was strictly about the men in purple...
...and you'd be hard pressed to find much to be excited about. Only a brief scoring flurry by both teams prevented this from being one of the lowest scoring KL halves I've seen. As it was, DCX led 33-24 off a strong first half performance from Mo Cheek--dude's a straight up player; I realize it's hard to make a lot of conclusions from KL, but you can certainly tell whether someone's gonna be a player, and he is.
The biggest play of the game though saw Creek get posterized. Jason Clark went through on a fast break, elevated to the right of the basket and threw down a powerful one-handed jam on Creek's head for an plus-one opportunity.
This was an exciting play, but an important one as well: the jam brought Clyde's to within 46-45 with 4:25 to play, with Clark going to the line.
He couldn't cash in.
And Creek got the last laugh. He floated in a jumper on the next possession, then a three moments later after Henry Sims failed in two chances at a defensive rebound in traffic. Over the three minutes after Clark's missed FT, DCX went on a 11-2 run, and pulled away comfortably for a nine point win.
Jason Clark: 12 points, 3-5 2pt, 0-4 3pt, 5-7 FT, 2RB, 3A, 4TO
The energy is still there, although Clark probably needs to be more careful with the ball. I know, summer league and all, but don't want to be developing any bad habits by dribbling behind the back in traffic or going 1-on-3. When he's under control and running the fast break, he makes very good decisions to distribute the ball. What's more, the unforced errors far away from the basket are all but gone by now.
Couple nice hustle plays--a great offensive rebound where he followed a shot from the perimeter, and a charge drawn on a fast break when he stood in and got clobbered.
It all depends on whether he plays in control or tries to do too much.
Henry Sims: 2 points, 0-5 2pt, 0-1 3pt, 2-2 FT, 5RB, 2A, 1TO, 1STL
Hoo boy.
In the interest of full information, two facts: (1) yes, he played most of the game; (2) he didn't attempt a shot in the second half.
Wasn't pretty. He had a few decent post moves early in the first half that if not for an unkind rim would have been easy, even attractive buckets. But it wasn't to be in the second half at all.
Worse still, he was consistently outmuscled and outrebounded on both ends. DCX pushed Henry out of position many times, and even on rebounds that fell right to him, he'd sometimes let them bounce and one of his own guards would swoop in there to grab the rock. Against Calvin Brown this is one thing, but Henry was getting outboarded by Fake Durant today.
DCX played a 2-3 zone the entire game, and that left its stamp--in both the low score AND how the interior players like Henry competed.
For Henry, this meant a lot of time moving towards the free throw line gap. Now, by consequence this meant few post opportunities, not many shots (DCX collapses fast), and seldom being in good rebounding position.
It ALSO means, however, that we saw one aspect of the game where Henry DOES excel: he's a great passer against a zone. He has the length to be a good target inside of a zone gap, and the vision to see over defenders and make the right pass. He probably lost about 3-4 assists b/c teammates couldn't finish under the basket.
Not a surprise at all that for me his most memorable game was against Syracuse at home. He'll do well against zone teams I reckon. He'll do well in a lot of "certain situations". And not in others.
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We Are One defeated Premium Athletics in the second game. Hollis Thompson sat out in street clothes on the bench. So all that was left for us Hoya fans was Rodney's daily screaming timeout (1:12 into the game) and wondering whether ex-GW players Pops Mensah-Bonsu and Rob Diggs would impail themselves in the backboard attempting one of a series of high-flying maneuvers.
[AHEAD: Garbage time: the extended mix.]
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 8, 2009 20:36:53 GMT -5
On the list of Big East road venues, I'm up to 9 out of 15 teams visited (not counting schools that split between an on-campus arena and downtown venue). I'm looking into expanding that list once again this year, and schedule permitting, two road games this year interest me: Pittsburgh and Louisville. Louisville would add Kentucky to the list of eleven states in which I've attended Georgetown games (already been to Philly twice). I got a very positive review of the city from a fellow Hoop Club board member today, and Freedom Hall has always interested me as a college venue. Downsides: Louisville is several hours further away from the DC area, and the Hoop Club allotment apparently tends to go faster for GU at UL games. Pittsburgh won't add a new state to my list, and there's no novelty since I've been to Pittsburgh before. The Petersen Events Center is right up there with Freedom Hall on my list though--1A and 1B on Big East venues I've yet to see but want to. Pitt's a tough ticket because of the lower capacity, but I was also told the HHC allotment doesn't take quite the immediate hit that it would for UL. It's also closer. If both games were on a Saturday, so missing work wasn't an issue, and you could only travel to one from the DC area, which would it be? Anybody who's been to one or both want to offer a suggestion? TOMBS 89 Aquamarine Hunger Force 55Biggest blowout I've seen in KL for a long time. It was actually a 10 point game at the half, but Tombs put on a huge early run in the second half, and the last 10 minutes or so were one extended garbage time sequence. On the plus side, if you like dunks this was the game for you. Austin Freeman: 15 points, 4-8 2pt, 1-2 3pt, 4-4 FT, 5RB, 4A, 4TO, 3STLHaving the backcourt help and Jeff Green as a playmaker has greatly reduced Austin's workload on The Tombs. He's more selective with when he attacks the basket--although the ratio of good to ugly still remains the same. If anything, he's using the pull-up and fadeaway jumpers more off the dribble. Also getting to the line less as a result of not needing to attack the glass as often. To be noted though--through nearly the end of the KL regular season, and having gone to the line A LOT (probably most of anyone in the league), Austin's shooting around 90% for the summer from the stripe. It's really about finding out what he can do on the offensive end. Can he pull up from the elbow and make that a go-to shot? Can he reliably get to the rim off the dribble? Finish in traffic? Finish with a dunk? Shoot from outside? On everything but the last, the answer right now seems to be a resounding yes. Julian Vaughn: 8 points, 3-6 2pt, 0-2 3pt, 2-2 FT, 10 RB, 3TO, 1BLKDon't really get the negative review of him in the other thread. My socks aren't exactly knocked off by Julian's performance today, to be fair, but I really like where he's going with his game. His fitness and mobility look miles away from last season for me, and while he's not making some Hibbert-like leap from season 1 to 2, I don't think anyone expects that. What you want in the KL is for someone like Julian to have a solid work-rate, compete on both ends of the court, and try different things on offense to see how they work. I think he's done well in his two games. Julian still heavily favors a face up game, preferring to take the 6-10 foot jumper rather than bang towards the basket in the post...but he's also working in some hook shots and dribbling moves to broaden his interior game. He also is surprisingly good off the dribble from the perimeter, though he didn't display much of that today. If he didn't shoot three pointers again, I wouldn't be heartbroken. Did like how he worked on the boards. Not throw your ass into someone or jump through the roof tough, but he used his athleticism and worked the weak side and went and got the boards, unlike Sims who seemed to be waiting for the ball to come to him when he wasn't getting muscled out of the boards. I think what may get people about Julian and Henry: we're clearly looking for one of them to be "the answer" in the frontcourt that will free up Greg to a more natural point forward position, and maybe shore up some of our rebounding woes. Truth is, neither one alone is the answer. They're BOTH the answer IN TANDEM. Neither Julian nor Henry is the guy who's going to give you 32 minutes a game and do everything right and be a complete player at this juncture. What they are--two guys who will give you maybe 15-20 one game, 25-30 the other, and alternate depending on how the situation plays to their strengths. You need boarding and grinding? Julian may be better suited. Zone defense? Henry. Ball handling? Vaughn. Somebody to play off Wright's penetration? Sims. If people want them to become superstars--not gonna happen, and there will be angst on Hoyatalk. If you want them to be pieces of a puzzle--they've got it covered. Jerelle Benimon: 5 points, 2-2 2pt, 1-1 FT, 3RB (2off), 1A, 2TO, 1STLYou know given the circumstances, pretty good. He's always about the third frontcourt option any time he's on the court for Tombs, so he's playing at an off position. Not going to light anyone's soul on fire, but he puts his nose in there and gets the odd rebound. He finishes pretty well in traffic for a shorter, bulkier center. In a couple games, including today, he's taken iffy entry passes low, gathered and almost off balanced in traffic jammed a basket through, while being fouled. That the effort piece is there from the start will help, because he's some conditioning and polishing away from providing the on-court positives during a Big East game. ========================== Song of the moment I wrote this sentence: The Replacements: Left of the Dial: ========================== NOTE: Two games tomorrow, including the Tombs-Clyde's showdown at 1:00 and DCX in action (w/ or w/o Chris Wright) at 3:20. I won't be at either...tomorrow I'm all about D.C. United and Real Madrid at FedEx Field. So heads up recappers in waiting, your time to sign shine.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 8, 2009 20:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 8, 2009 21:17:50 GMT -5
If both games were on a Saturday, so missing work wasn't an issue, and you could only travel to one from the DC area, which would it be? Anybody who's been to one or both want to offer a suggestion? Without question, Freedom Hall. This is the last season for the storied arena, as the Cards move to a $200 million downtown facility in 2010-11. I was there at Freedom Hall for Pitino's "white suit" entrance and it was the loudest ovation I've ever heard at a college game. Very knowledgeable basketball fans and the kind of place you'll be glad you saw before it's gone. (BTW, not a lot of creature comforts, but probably the only arena that has concession stands selling Maker's Mark.) And BTW, 9 of 15 is a great number. I've visited all 16 schools but have only seen road games at MSG, Providence CC, Hartford CC, the Carrier Dome, the old Spectrum, and Freedom Hall.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Aug 8, 2009 21:27:17 GMT -5
Did Louisville a few years ago. It was a fantastic experience and the Louisville fans were great.
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Post by lichoya68 on Aug 9, 2009 10:34:51 GMT -5
great recap as usual agree about us needing henry and julian to be a two headed GOOD not great center with d and rebbies and very very glad to hear julian played and did what we need REBOUDN ten rebbies is very very nice now if henry could just be consistant hmmmm i was disappointed in henry today next to me somebody said hes slow and not strong enough but i do respectfully disagree i think he can run as evidencd by some fast breaks and can be tough i do think its huslte toughness and attitude and if that changes he can be part of the two headed center i think we need. GLAD julian was there go hoyas henryandjuliantoomuchgetmuchmoremeaniersoonforustobegreatnotjustgood YUP thats it two headed center skys the limit no two headed center oops my 19-10 wil be in great jepardoy go hoyas
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Aug 9, 2009 12:32:38 GMT -5
Haven't been posting much but been reading the recaps daily. I'm very encouraged by all of this, especially the concept of Sims and Vaughn bringing different types of strengths to the frontcourt. That will give JTIII a lot of flexibility depending on what the situation calls for, while Monroe can stay on the floor as much as possible. We'll use Benimon or go small if there is foul trouble.
I like what I read about Wright, Thompson, Freeman and Clark too, hard to see how we can't be in the upper tier of Big East teams with those 4 + Monroe, that's 5 very good offensive players. Sounds like Clark especially has come a long way in a short time. We'll be thin on the bench, but with our offensive tempo that doesn't worry me so much.
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Post by gtowndynasty on Aug 9, 2009 14:55:35 GMT -5
Love the enthusiasm KHoyaNYC...I was up there this week and trust me when I say that you have a reason to be enthusiastic about the upcoming season. Also, Id like to add that every game the guys were not as enthusiastic about playing in the league, which I cannot fault them on. Especially the bigs. THis is like a McD All American game, not based on talent, but based on guard dominated it is. If you arent a pg (Hollis, Greg, Jerelle, Julian, Henry) then it was frustrating watching them not get the touches they should have as the guards banged the ball on the floor with the primary objective of creating first for themselves.
With that said, it was still great to see and as a "baller" it is a situation where you have to look at things in context of what the guys could do if running the system we run and I am impressed. I see Freeman and Henry both excelling this year in the system. I see Hollis being very productive and echo Lic's sentiments that he can be the BE ROY (although it is Lance's to lose simply b/c he will have all the touches and the freedom to do what he wants so if he uses this to be very productive it will be his), but i think the more realistic expectation is that he can become a member of the BE All Rookie team. Chris will be Chris as he is the lead guard and Monroe will be more of a focal point in the offense this year by virtue of the fact he is the lone, recognized NBA talent on the team...That is not to say he is the only player on the team with league talent, but he is the only player that is recognized as having such talent by the evaluators of such talent, HOYATALK "experts" excluded.
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 10, 2009 16:01:35 GMT -5
On the list of Big East road venues, I'm up to 9 out of 15 teams visited (not counting schools that split between an on-campus arena and downtown venue). I'm looking into expanding that list once again this year, and schedule permitting, two road games this year interest me: Pittsburgh and Louisville. Louisville would add Kentucky to the list of eleven states in which I've attended Georgetown games (already been to Philly twice). I got a very positive review of the city from a fellow Hoop Club board member today, and Freedom Hall has always interested me as a college venue. Downsides: Louisville is several hours further away from the DC area, and the Hoop Club allotment apparently tends to go faster for GU at UL games. Pittsburgh won't add a new state to my list, and there's no novelty since I've been to Pittsburgh before. The Petersen Events Center is right up there with Freedom Hall on my list though--1A and 1B on Big East venues I've yet to see but want to. Pitt's a tough ticket because of the lower capacity, but I was also told the HHC allotment doesn't take quite the immediate hit that it would for UL. It's also closer. If both games were on a Saturday, so missing work wasn't an issue, and you could only travel to one from the DC area, which would it be? Anybody who's been to one or both want to offer a suggestion? TOMBS 89 Aquamarine Hunger Force 55Biggest blowout I've seen in KL for a long time. It was actually a 10 point game at the half, but Tombs put on a huge early run in the second half, and the last 10 minutes or so were one extended garbage time sequence. On the plus side, if you like dunks this was the game for you. Austin Freeman: 15 points, 4-8 2pt, 1-2 3pt, 4-4 FT, 5RB, 4A, 4TO, 3STLHaving the backcourt help and Jeff Green as a playmaker has greatly reduced Austin's workload on The Tombs. He's more selective with when he attacks the basket--although the ratio of good to ugly still remains the same. If anything, he's using the pull-up and fadeaway jumpers more off the dribble. Also getting to the line less as a result of not needing to attack the glass as often. To be noted though--through nearly the end of the KL regular season, and having gone to the line A LOT (probably most of anyone in the league), Austin's shooting around 90% for the summer from the stripe. It's really about finding out what he can do on the offensive end. Can he pull up from the elbow and make that a go-to shot? Can he reliably get to the rim off the dribble? Finish in traffic? Finish with a dunk? Shoot from outside? On everything but the last, the answer right now seems to be a resounding yes. Julian Vaughn: 8 points, 3-6 2pt, 0-2 3pt, 2-2 FT, 10 RB, 3TO, 1BLKDon't really get the negative review of him in the other thread. My socks aren't exactly knocked off by Julian's performance today, to be fair, but I really like where he's going with his game. His fitness and mobility look miles away from last season for me, and while he's not making some Hibbert-like leap from season 1 to 2, I don't think anyone expects that. What you want in the KL is for someone like Julian to have a solid work-rate, compete on both ends of the court, and try different things on offense to see how they work. I think he's done well in his two games. Julian still heavily favors a face up game, preferring to take the 6-10 foot jumper rather than bang towards the basket in the post...but he's also working in some hook shots and dribbling moves to broaden his interior game. He also is surprisingly good off the dribble from the perimeter, though he didn't display much of that today. If he didn't shoot three pointers again, I wouldn't be heartbroken. Did like how he worked on the boards. Not throw your ass into someone or jump through the roof tough, but he used his athleticism and worked the weak side and went and got the boards, unlike Sims who seemed to be waiting for the ball to come to him when he wasn't getting muscled out of the boards. I think what may get people about Julian and Henry: we're clearly looking for one of them to be "the answer" in the frontcourt that will free up Greg to a more natural point forward position, and maybe shore up some of our rebounding woes. Truth is, neither one alone is the answer. They're BOTH the answer IN TANDEM. Neither Julian nor Henry is the guy who's going to give you 32 minutes a game and do everything right and be a complete player at this juncture. What they are--two guys who will give you maybe 15-20 one game, 25-30 the other, and alternate depending on how the situation plays to their strengths. You need boarding and grinding? Julian may be better suited. Zone defense? Henry. Ball handling? Vaughn. Somebody to play off Wright's penetration? Sims. If people want them to become superstars--not gonna happen, and there will be angst on Hoyatalk. If you want them to be pieces of a puzzle--they've got it covered. Jerelle Benimon: 5 points, 2-2 2pt, 1-1 FT, 3RB (2off), 1A, 2TO, 1STLYou know given the circumstances, pretty good. He's always about the third frontcourt option any time he's on the court for Tombs, so he's playing at an off position. Not going to light anyone's soul on fire, but he puts his nose in there and gets the odd rebound. He finishes pretty well in traffic for a shorter, bulkier center. In a couple games, including today, he's taken iffy entry passes low, gathered and almost off balanced in traffic jammed a basket through, while being fouled. That the effort piece is there from the start will help, because he's some conditioning and polishing away from providing the on-court positives during a Big East game. ========================== Song of the moment I wrote this sentence: The Replacements: Left of the Dial: ========================== NOTE: Two games tomorrow, including the Tombs-Clyde's showdown at 1:00 and DCX in action (w/ or w/o Chris Wright) at 3:20. I won't be at either...tomorrow I'm all about D.C. United and Real Madrid at FedEx Field. So heads up recappers in waiting, your time to sign shine. I'm pretty sure Louisville will open its new arena before the start of 2010 season, so if you ever want to go to Freedom Hall, this is your last chance. BTW I was in Louisville this past weekend and it was just as awesome as the last time I was there.
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Post by kghoya on Aug 10, 2009 16:11:48 GMT -5
If both games were on a Saturday, so missing work wasn't an issue, and you could only travel to one from the DC area, which would it be? Anybody who's been to one or both want to offer a suggestion? Without question, Freedom Hall. This is the last season for the storied arena, as the Cards move to a $200 million downtown facility in 2010-11. I was there at Freedom Hall for Pitino's "white suit" entrance and it was the loudest ovation I've ever heard at a college game. Very knowledgeable basketball fans and the kind of place you'll be glad you saw before it's gone. (BTW, not a lot of creature comforts, but probably the only arena that has concession stands selling Maker's Mark.) And BTW, 9 of 15 is a great number. I've visited all 16 schools but have only seen road games at MSG, Providence CC, Hartford CC, the Carrier Dome, the old Spectrum, and Freedom Hall. You are really missing out on a game at the RAC.
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Post by swhoya on Aug 10, 2009 18:35:51 GMT -5
A second vote for L-Ville. I was there for the white suit game as well, and they have a phenomenal atmosphere and great support from their fans. They'd turn out the lights and had everyone waving red lights.
Also, I had already left town, but a bunch of my friends were having breakfast the next day, still wearing Gtown attire, and someone paid for all of their meals just so they didn't leave with a bad impression. About as classy as it gets.
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 10, 2009 19:23:07 GMT -5
Louisville is just a fun city, and the people there are very hospitable - particularly the first weekend in May. ;D
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Post by seaweed on Aug 10, 2009 23:33:52 GMT -5
Louisville any other year, but this year seems like New Orleans is the leading contender for a road trip:)
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