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Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Dec 3, 2007, 9:37pm

Chicago Tribune on Tim Franken (Ryan's brother):
http://tinyurl.com/2uzl68

On the other hand, an earlier article notes Alan Buzbee (Alex's brother) has verballed to New Hampshire.
http://tinyurl.com/2wj6py

Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by lurkingdog on Dec 12, 2007, 12:13am

Here's another one you're getting from Illinois.

http://www.edgytim.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=69099
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Post by formerhoya2 on Dec 12, 2007, 2:38pm

Despite living in Illinois for 20+ years, I had to google maps Rockton. Its in the Beloit area, if that helps...
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Post by eagle36 on Dec 14, 2007, 7:44am

it is near Rockford
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Post by vcjack on Dec 14, 2007, 7:39pm

kid's gotta nice arm and can run the option, and he can take a hit which is good considering our O-line
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Post by dfw on Dec 15, 2007, 10:16am

Offensive lineman leaning Georgetown over Penn, Bucknell, and an offer at Army.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high....tball_jock.html
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Post by eagle36 on Dec 15, 2007, 2:55pm

sounds like a great kid Sure wish he was bigger
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Post by ro on Dec 17, 2007, 8:09am

Anyone have a link to an article with the outcome of the game? Would be great to see how he did against a top D-Lineman.
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Post by mercadaj on Dec 18, 2007, 4:17pm

I remember when I went to G-Town one of my teammates had a brother who was getting recruited by G-Town and wanted to come here. Our O-Line coach said he was too small. So he went to Dartmouth, was a 4 year starter and the lone captain his senior year.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by 98hoya on Dec 18, 2007, 5:06pm


Quote:
I remember when I went to G-Town one of my teammates had a brother who was getting recruited by G-Town and wanted to come here. Our O-Line coach said he was too small. So he went to Dartmouth, was a 4 year starter and the lone captain his senior year.


If it makes you feel better, it seems our coaching staff has done everything within its power to not let another too-small lineman escape for another school. Check out the heights/weights on this past year's frosh OL and I think you'll have to agree.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by sleepyjackson21 on Dec 23, 2007, 7:56pm

Rivals has 2 star safety rick rattay as a commit as of 12/19/07. Here's an earlier article on him.

http://www.toledofreepress.com/?id=6139
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Dec 25, 2007, 11:25pm


Quote:
Rivals has 2 star safety rick rattay as a commit as of 12/19/07..

I'm certainly happy when Georgetown adds any quality player, but they are loaded at safety and the other positions behind the line. They need linemen. They have been routinely getting pushed around up front which is why the safetys were making so many tackles (until the last game). Sure,every good player helps, but nothing matters when you are overwhelmed at the line of scrimmage. I hope that is addressed as a priority.
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Post by nycalumn on Dec 27, 2007, 6:49am

Exactly ,splendid idea !!l LINEMEN , lets recruit BIG PEOPLE ....big strong tough linemen like the ones that all the other teams have ... like the ones that play in the first half of the games versus GU !!!!
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Dec 27, 2007, 1:29pm


A verbal from David King, a 6-2 QB from Rockton, IL (location corrected)

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2007/12/26/sports/sports05.txt
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Post by formerhoya2 on Dec 27, 2007, 2:02pm


Dec 27, 2007, 1:29pm, dfw wrote:
A verbal from a QB from Beloit, WI.

http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2007/12/26/sports/sports05.txt


Actually, from Illinois, but like I said above, in the Beloit area...
;)
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by lbpop on Dec 27, 2007, 2:04pm


Dec 27, 2007, 1:29pm, dfw wrote:
A verbal from a QB from Beloit, WI.


Write down the name, David King. So far, he's the leading contender to start against "TBA" in next season's opener. ::)
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyafan55 on Dec 28, 2007, 11:46am

Regarding LBPop's comment, I'm shocked by the current freshman who have recently quit the team. These were kids that the coach's gave significant playing time to--some over seniors. I'm not sure what this says regarding the types of kids the coachs are recruiting but it certainly does not bode well for the future.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by doogie on Dec 28, 2007, 3:01pm

Has their been a high rate of attrition from this year's freshmen?
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Post by massdad2 on Dec 28, 2007, 6:05pm

[These were kids that the coach's gave significant playing time to--some over seniors. I'm not sure what this says regarding the types of kids the coachs are recruiting but it certainly does not bode well for the future. [/quote]

Wow...ain't that a kick in the teeth. Deserving seniors final season ruined and the "not ready for prime timers" that played are jumping the sinking ship. I was expecting alot of attrition, but thought it would be the sophs and juniors that also got screwed last season. Wonder what impact those 6AM practices are having on retention and recruitment. Will also be interesting to see what impact that schedule had on Hoya qualifiers to the PL All Academic team. We've averaged >20 players past four years...I know one 3 timer that is on bubble to make it 4 for 4. The schedule did him no favors academically, for sure! Hard to concentrate when your tired and hungry.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by derhoya on Dec 29, 2007, 2:11pm

there have been quite a few from the soph and fresh classes - kelly's bread and butter classes.

attrition is fairly typical with any non scholarship program, but i believe the numbers here are a lil larger than normal. not surprised....
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Post by reformation on Dec 29, 2007, 2:33pm

Just curious, what would be a normal attrition # ?
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Dec 29, 2007, 4:49pm


Dec 29, 2007, 2:33pm, reformation wrote:
Just curious, what would be a normal attrition # ?


Attrition can be defined in many ways. It can be athletic (a player does not return to the team, but stays in school), academic (a player flunks out), discliplinary, or institiutional (a player transfers in good standing).

In less-than-full-scholarship football, no player is under an obligation to play. If a student wants to study abroad, get a job, or simply wants to pursue another direction, that's a decision he has to make and schools are going to be accomodating to this. In any one class, there are usually 17-20 seniors from an original freshman class of 28-30. Per the NCAA and federal reports, Georgetown's football graduation rate is around 98%, so the numbers do not suggest numerous transfers or washouts in the bunch.

When the attrition can make a difference is in depth. Over a half dozen juniors from 2006 were not on the roster in 2007. Every situation is unique, but while an Erik Carter, a Jasper Ihezie, or a Charlie Curtis might not have started their senior season, the absence in depth and/or leadership might have played a factor in a game or two, and depth is a ongoing problem for this team.

The junior class is already short a few players and despite the poor record under their three years (7-26), the 2008 team needs senior leadership. I'm not sure Georgetown's had a truly impact freshman class in the last 6-8 years, but it means even less if that class isn't there in the end.
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Post by nycalumn on Dec 29, 2007, 4:52pm

who can possibly say that they are surprised with players quitting ....the football situation has been addressed repeatedly all season ...6 am practices under horrific coaching ; benching the senior class all season and losing to Marist ...cmon , this is a bad formula that will be only getting worse ...the situation has been ridiculous for some time !!!!
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Dec 29, 2007, 5:42pm

There was attrition in the days before 6:00 am practices, and likely in the days after it, too. I really don't see this as a critical factor.
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Post by formerhoya2 on Dec 29, 2007, 7:16pm

If there were 6 am practices while I was there, I would have thought long and hard about staying with the team. I would have thought about it even if I was a three-year starter, much less a benchwarmer...

Even the 2-3 times weekly spring morning practices messed me up (mostly academically) pretty well.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by derhoya on Dec 29, 2007, 9:44pm

DFW, don't forget injury. I know lots of players that fell to the wayside due to continuing injuries. many players never got back to their former status quo of playing and quit subsequently, some just weren't OK'ed by the medical staff. During my four years, there were nearly 10 players who had to stop due to concussions, pinched nerves/back issues. they were solid players, most notably was Julius Grizaude, a three year starter.

attrition can range widely. during the course of one year (from my frosh to sophomore year), we lost 8 players from my class alone. there were several from the class ahead of mine as well.

i assume the first year sees the highest attrition rate, due in large part to ppl being unable to balance academics and sports; its also a pivotal year in which you really learn if your heart is in it, because let's face it, playing D-1 ball is a full time job no matter how good your team is or if its d1a or d1aa.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by ro on Dec 31, 2007, 9:24am

Attrition comes with the territory in non-scholarship programs. If I remember correctly there were 38 people in my freshman class...and we graduated 12. Grant it there was a coaching change, but I believe that the class of 97, Glacken's final class, graduated 5 or 6 guys. I could be off slightly on that number, but I don't think there were many more than that. That's why it doesn't matter if we are "loaded at safety" or have a bunch of quality RB's. People get hurt, people quit, people transfer, people fail out. We need to bring in as many quality players as possible.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Dec 31, 2007, 11:08am


Dec 31, 2007, 9:24am, ro wrote:
That's why it doesn't matter if we are "loaded at safety" or have a bunch of quality RB's. People get hurt, people quit, people transfer, people fail out. We need to bring in as many quality players as possible.


Since you used the language "loaded at safety", I will assume you were referencing my earlier comment. Like you, I support picking up as many quality players as possible in every position. I think I actually suggested that. However, when there has been a continuous and glaring weakness in one basic area for several years, I want to hear about efforts to strengthen that weakness. Give me mediocre players behind an outstanding line rather than the converse every time. Of course, we really want quality everywhere. Nobody would argue that.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by nycalumn on Jan 2, 2008, 8:49am

we were 1-10 last year , most games were crushing blowouts and the staff stayed their course and benched the seniors throughout the season , I'm assuming seniors will get a chance to play this year and even our coaches will realize they need the seniors !! To many, that was the most critical problem last year , not playing seniors .. Perhaps there are many many more deep rooted problems with our football program but practicing at 6 AM would seem "critical " too and believe it or not (just a wild guess) may be a consideration when a student decides to quit football ....at GU ..

Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by ro on Jan 2, 2008, 10:35am

Hoyahopeful...i was referring to your point at safety, but wasn't doing so in a negative way. Sorry if I came across that way.
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Post by hoyafan55 on Jan 2, 2008, 1:39pm

i would say critical problems were more like not stopping people and not scoring points. on a more serious note, i don't think kelley has the 6am practices because he is a "military man", but more likely because the players' class schedules don't interfere with practice. related to attrition, every program faces it-especially non-scholarship programs. what strikes me about the attrition that has taken place with current freshmen is that players who got significant playing time, some to the detriment of upperclassmen, have left the program. while i won't give names, some of these kids were viewed by the staff as real "gems"
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Jan 2, 2008, 2:57pm


Jan 2, 2008, 1:39pm, hoyafan55 wrote:
while i won't give names, some of these kids were viewed by the staff as real "gems"


You seem to be closely wired into the team. I understand why you would not want to reveal names, but I'll bet we would all like to hear some of the reasons for these players leaving.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyafan55 on Jan 2, 2008, 3:35pm

i wish i knew--it could be for perfectly sensible explanations-need more time for school, left school, etc, i just thought it was very unusual for players who were getting good playing time to stop playing
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by mercadaj on Jan 4, 2008, 2:01pm

I played in the late 90's and early 2K years and I can count the number of guys on my two hands that quit. And 98% of them were not guys that played. Even guys that were out for the year with injuries would show up at practice and hang when they were not obligated to.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by champ on Jan 4, 2008, 4:40pm

I rode the elevator with a huge athletic kid at the homecoming game with a DeMatha jacket on. When I asked him if was considering Georgetown he just smirked. I saw him sitting on the Colgate side of the field during the game. Why any recruit would want to play for us at this point is beside me. Wow, I get to pay $50k per year, wake up at 4:30am every morning to join forces with the worst team in Div. 1 and compete for grades with the nerds I made fun of in high school. Sign me up!
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by lbpop on Jan 4, 2008, 5:40pm


Jan 4, 2008, 4:40pm, champ wrote:
Wow, I get to pay $50k per year, wake up at 4:30am every morning to join forces with the worst team in Div. 1 and compete for grades with the nerds I made fun of in high school. Sign me up!


And your point is? ;)
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Jan 15, 2008, 1:16pm

Added to the list: OL Chris Bisanzo.

http://fciacfootballblog.com/2008/01/14/chris-bisanzo-chooses.aspx
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by ro on Jan 15, 2008, 5:30pm

This looks like a very good get. Great size and the recruiting websites have good things to say about him. The visit must have left a great impression on him...a Connecticut kid passing on a full ride to play ball at UConn. It's also mentioned that he passed on Temple and Cuse. Hopefully we get him in the books and it's a sign of great things to come.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by 98hoya on Jan 17, 2008, 10:14am

I agree with Ro - this looks like an exciting recruit (although it's tough to attach the word "exciting" to a center). Big kid, the professional scouting services really like him, and he turned down 1-A full rides to come to the Hilltop. A few more like Bisanzo, and we'll be in business!
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by 98hoya on Jan 17, 2008, 10:21am

Bisanzo's teammate, an RB named Meyers, has a website to show his highlight film. Bisanzo (#56) seems to have a pancake block on every big run Meyers has on the tape:

http://jonathanmeyers.com/

Meyers, by the way, has apparently committed to Princeton. Too bad, he'd have looked good in the Blue and Gray too...

Also, if you go to youtube.com and search Chris Bisanzo, there are several interviews with him that it looks like the local cable outlet's sports reporter did. Seems like a nice, bright kid.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by showcase on Jan 22, 2008, 10:23am


Dec 31, 2007, 9:24am, ro wrote:
Attrition comes with the territory in non-scholarship programs . . . I believe that the class of 97, Glacken's final class, graduated 5 or 6 guys.


It seemed to me that attrition among the last Glacken classes was pretty bad - in 1995 there were really only 5 left - but I think that attrition is often more pronounced when there's a coaching change.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by lurkingdog on Feb 6, 2008, 2:33pm

Here's one who listed GU early on, but will attend an NAIA school in Kansas.

http://hskansas.scout.com/a.z?s=390&p=8&c=1&nid=3477926
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Feb 7, 2008, 9:01am

Four more recruits from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area--congrats to Coach Sgarlata for his hard work--now can someone call the University of North Texas to line up a guarantee game? ;)

Fordham (and its 60 scholarship equivalencies) appears to have moved in big to the DFW area, with five signings. No other PL or Ivy team had more than two.

Georgetown's commits (per the print edition of the Dallas Morning News):

Jayah Kaisamba (5-9, 188 lb. DB), Hurst LD Bell
Dishon Hughes (6-2, 185 lb. WR), Richardson Pearce
Kyle Miller (6-0, 185 lb. DB), Dallas Jesuit
Marcus Chitman (6-3, 220 lb. DE), Dallas Jesuit

Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 7, 2008, 1:29pm


Feb 7, 2008, 9:01am, dfw wrote:

Jayah Kaisamba (5-9, 188 lb. DB), Hurst LD Bell
Dishon Hughes (6-2, 185 lb. WR), Richardson Pearce
Kyle Miller (6-0, 185 lb. DB), Dallas Jesuit
Marcus Chitman (6-3, 220 lb. DE), Dallas Jesuit



I love the fact that we are getting kids from Texas and I got excited for a moment to see a Defensive End on the list. Then I noticed his weight. Maybe big guys are turned off by the food at the cafeteria????
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by danmcq on Feb 7, 2008, 3:15pm

Salem (MA) News: Prep's Darby signs to play at Georgetown


Quote:

St. John's Prep quarterback Scott Darby has signed a letter of intent to play for Georgetown University.

The school offered the perfect combination of athletics and academics that Darby was looking for. The situation was ideal for the 6-foot-3, 210-pounder, who had been highly recruited by such schools as Harvard and Brown.

The St. John's Prep captain and three-year starter from Tewksbury will be the third former Eagle on the Hoyas' roster next year, joining junior linebacker Travis Zorilla and sophomore linebacker Jon Cassidy.

"I stayed with Cassidy when I went to Georgetown for my official visit," said Darby, a Catholic Conference all-star this past season. "He was a senior captain (at the Prep) my sophomore year and was very welcoming."

Georgetown fielded a young team last fall, playing many freshmen and sophomores while going 1-9 under second-year coach Kevin Kelly. The Hoyas were in need of a quarterback for this coming season — part of what attracted Darby to the school football-wise.

"The opportunity to play early (at quarterback) was appealing," said Darby. "Their biggest need is quarterback, and they are taking in three recruits. There is a very good chance one of us will start, because (last year's) starter graduated and they moved two others to receiver."

...

Colleges are allowed to come visit potential recruits once a week, said O'Leary, and noted that Georgetown quarterbacks coach Jim Miceli, who recruits in New England, was there every week to see Darby.

"There's no question the opportunity is there for Scott," said O'Leary. "He had other choices, and was very heavily recruited by Harvard. In fact, he was their No. 1 (recruit) until their two quarterbacks decided to take the spring semester off (from college) to come back to play next fall."

Georgetown, said O'Leary, is a need-based scholarship school and will give Scott the maximum amount he qualifies for."

An excellent student, Darby has a 3.8 GPA and very high scores on his college boards.

Darby said he likes the Hoyas system, which is similar to what the Eagles like to do offensively.

"They spread the field wide open, use the option and go out of the shotgun. Plus, any quarterback loves the fact they like to throw the ball around," said Darby, who is thinking about majoring in business and perhaps minoring in journalism.

"I think having played for St. John's is going to give me an advantage. Once basketball season is over, I intend to train vigorously. I believe I am up to the challenge."

Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by jack on Feb 7, 2008, 3:36pm

Ordinarily I would say it is great to get a 6'3" QB from St. John's Prep, one of the few legit football powers in the Boston area and the alma mater of BC and Steeler QB Brian St. Pierre, among others. Too bad last year was not a particularly vintage Eagles team- going 7-4 and getting blown out by Xaverian 34-0 is definitely a down year for the Prep.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by showcase on Feb 7, 2008, 11:01pm

That OL from Atlanta-Marist that was choosing b/t us, West Point and Cornell with with Army (or did we already know that?) per the AJC.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 14, 2008, 5:39pm

From the list now posted on the Hoya Saxa site it looks like there are some potentially solid linemen. If a few of them can play, next year's team will make the 2007 starting lineup look like a bunch of old men. The Hoyas could be full of sophomores and freshmen all over the field. Heck, all 12 of the freshmen QBs might be calling Charlie Houghton, "Grandpa".
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by 98hoya on Feb 21, 2008, 8:37pm

I saw on the main Hoya Saxa page that we've just listed our 6th QB recruit. SIX!!!

Is this a joke? My quick view of the guhoyas.com official roster indicates we'll have 3 returning QBs (Lane, Lawrence, Schoen). I have no idea if any of them is potentially capable of taking the helm, but I do wonder about the utility of having so many QBs on the roster.

Imagine going home for Thanksgiving break as a G'town frosh QB and telling your buddies about how you had a great reason - you went from 9th to 5th on the depth chart...and that by senior year, you hope to be down to third string?

Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by nycalumn on Feb 22, 2008, 8:55am

its a joke ....9 qbs ...often they recruit the good athletes for different postions ,perhaps, 5 or 6 of the current qbs on the roster will focus on gaining 70 to 80 pounds and play line so they can prevent the other 3 or 4 from getting thoroughly crushed AGAIN this season !!!!
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by danmcq on Feb 26, 2008, 10:41pm

http://www.mcall.com/sports/other/all-lv....s on Georgetown


Quote:
Georgetown is known for its basketball, not football.

But the Hoyas fortunes on the gridiron may be getting better with news that Parkland star Nate Zimmel has verbally committed to the Patriot League school.

Zimmel was an all-league and all-area linebacker for the state runner-up Trojans.

He set a school-record with 24 tackles for loss, and had 137 total tackles (87 solo) last season, while also rushing for 459 yards and six touchdowns as a fullback on offense.

Zimmel was also the school's scholar-athlete with a 4.2 GPA.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by ro on Feb 27, 2008, 4:56pm

I would agree that 6 QB recruits looks and sounds a bit ridiculous, but historically speaking it may not be a bad thing. I'm 95% certain that my incoming class had 4 or 5 QB's coming in...all but one of them quit and the one who stayed on the team (Brian Dwyer) ended up being a team captain and a 2 year all-league safety. I'm pretty sure he was also an All-American in his last season. Then there's Gharun Hester, recruited as a QB to go on to become the best ever WR to suit up for us. It is outrageous to see 9 possible QBs on the roster, but I think it's equally outrageous to think that all 9 of the current proposed QBs will all be calling signals come August. While Brian and Gharun may be extreme cases, I think it's easy to see some incoming QBs who are exceptional athletes moving and succeeding elsewhere on the field.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by jack on Feb 27, 2008, 5:12pm

Yeah- I understand that there is some more specialization and different body types necessary for a football team, but in most cases isn't the QB just the best athlete on the team, like the SS on every Little Leage team? It seems fairly likely that some of them will end up as RB's, WR's, DB's, even LB's (didn't Jack Schweder end up a tackle?). It's still important to get some big guys, but this QB glut will sort itself out I'm sure.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by formerhoya2 on Feb 27, 2008, 8:32pm

Jack, Schweder became a semi-functional outside linebacker, but yes, he did have the size for tackle.

From that class Josh Walz became a very good WR, and JJ became the QB.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by nycalumn on Feb 28, 2008, 9:14am

What about going and getting some decent linemen in the recruiting process ..Are we comfortable with the line play on both sides , perhaps , that is the case ..I know we haveto get good athletes when available to us but we need big tough linemen or face another miserable season ...Looks like we have our open date in August, another brainstorm , anyway all it means is that we have 11 games in a row , no off week at all , there will be alot of bruised up people on our team again again again again, 6am practices , bad scheduling ,all QBS and DBS ....I hope we are ready !!
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by ro on Feb 29, 2008, 12:54pm

Between O-Line and D-Line the posed recruit list has 8 incoming lineman....over a quarter of the class. Of course it would be nice to see more but that's a pretty solid number. Do you also think that the staff is purposely not trying to get lineman? Recruiting kids isn't like visiting your local grocery store and picking up exactly what you need. They have 5 kids coming in listed as OL, that's a starting set in one class to go along with the guys we already have. I don't think the situation is nearly as dire as you are trying to make it out to be.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 29, 2008, 1:26pm


Feb 29, 2008, 12:54pm, ro wrote:
Recruiting kids isn't like visiting your local grocery store and picking up exactly what you need.


To continue with your analogy, I think the fear here is that while shopping at the grocery store, this staff spends too much time in the candy aisle and they forget about shopping for the meat and potatoes. As for the linemen issue, the problem has not been with the number of players, it has been with the numbers on the scale. Georgetown is routinely overpowered on both lines and a few of the new recruits listed fall into the same mold--great kids, excellent players, too small. Of course we never know about published weights, but usually they are inflated.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Feb 29, 2008, 1:45pm

It's a fair concern, esp. when you see about how other schools are going heavy-up. Here is the recap of Howard's 2008 o-line signees:

Davin Morris OL 6-4 315 Houston, TX/Yates HS
Kashin McElveen OL 6-4 320 Salters, SC/Denmark-Olar HS
Terrell Hawkins OL 6-4 320 Temple Hills, MD/Friendly HS
D'Angelo Lucas OL 6-6 360 Washington, DC/H.D. Woodson HS
Terell Killings OL 6-4 290 Miami, FL/Northwestern HS
Jarrett Ford OL 6-3 280 Cincinnati, OH/Harmony Community HS
Quindarole King OL 6-4 310 Texas City, TX/Lamarque HS

Georgetown hasn't recruited many 300 lb. players (maybe Billy Wuyek was 300+, others were not) but 240 lb. centers aren't enough anymore.


Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by derhoya on Feb 29, 2008, 6:08pm

i wouldn't read too much into those numbers above on howards incoming OL. I bet 100 that 5/7 of those are just softies, and also the numbers are probably exaggerations on the actual numbers. HS fball is notorious with adding 20lbs here, or an inch there.

the kid from lamarque comes from a great fball area in TX, same with the northwestern kid from miami. ill be honest, if these kids were studs, they'd be at a D1 state schools. I know thats a broad generalization but there is some worth within it.

that being said, a softie weighing in at 340 over a 60 min game definitely isn't fun. he may not be strong but that 340 doesn't get lighter during the game.
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I can confidently inform everyone that the weight issue is being resolved. they are weighing in and being pushed by augie to get their weights up. for most part expect 20-25lbs on all of them, yes that includes both sides of the ball.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by formerhoya2 on Feb 29, 2008, 6:18pm

Personally, I loved playing against the teams with huge offensive lineman. Der is right, if those sizes are right, then if those guys were any good, they'd be playing somewhere else...
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by nycalumn on Mar 1, 2008, 7:55am

1/4 of the class are linemen but 1/2 ofthe play on the field is done by linemen and we need better ones to face an upgraded schedule of 11 straight games ....we were 1-10 last year and dominated across both lines , teams ran all over us while the o-line was too weak all season ...while remaining optimistic that players learned and improved AND MAYBE THIS SEASON WE'LL INCORPORATE A STRATEGY OF PLAYING OUR BEST PLAYERS , seems the situation is becoming quite "dire"
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Mar 3, 2008, 2:12pm


Feb 29, 2008, 6:18pm, formerhoya2 wrote:
Personally, I loved playing against the teams with huge offensive lineman. Der is right, if those sizes are right, then if those guys were any good, they'd be playing somewhere else...


Those Howard weights are pretty wild and clearly if these guys are completely immobile, the weight issue might not be as important. I don't know much about Howard, but the Patriot League is another story.

When Georgetown lines up on defense against the power teams (Lafayette, Colgate, Lehigh, etc.), they are frequently outweighed by 40lbs. + on the line (I'm assuming that the published weights are equally inflated). And these guys are not "softies". So that's when the cycle starts. Nothing burns as much energy as playing 'D' Line...especially when butting heads with someone who is nearly 20% heavier. And because they are smaller, the opponent can grind out long drives. That further tires the 'D' linemen and so it goes. It's so apparent when you attend the games.

As one example of the problem, please take a look at the Fordham class. That's what the Hoyas are competing with and you will be impressed by the numbers--both the number of linemen recruited and the numbers published for their weights.

http://fordhamsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020708aaa.html


Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by formerhoya2 on Mar 3, 2008, 6:02pm

I'm not saying that Georgetown shouldn't recruit more lineman, or not recruit bigger linemen. My point is that at this level, Georgetown is far better off with very good to excellent offensive linemen that but for their size would be playing at a higher level. When coaches get obsessed with measurables rather than football ability, they end up with stiffs that can't play.
I know exactly how much energy playing defensive line takes, and I remember being absolutely intimidated when I first arrived at Georgetown by the weightroom and track ability of the other defensive linemen. Then we started hitting, and I stopped being worried. I started for 3 years.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by hoyahopeful on Mar 4, 2008, 1:08pm


Mar 3, 2008, 6:02pm, formerhoya2 wrote:
I started for 3 years.


Please come back. ;)

We actually agree with one exception...it's not working now. For several years the Hoyas have generally had very good, but undersized linemen. When you watch them play and give all they have, you realize that they are simply overmatched--especially by the 3rd quarter. Sure size isn't all that matters, but there better be a significant talent difference to make up for that size difference. And recently, it hasn't been enough.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by formerhoya2 on Mar 4, 2008, 1:25pm

Admittedly I haven't seen a game in a few years, but if what you're saying is true, then what we need is an overall improvement in quality. Simply "getting big" won't help.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by one on Mar 4, 2008, 10:50pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, FormerHoya, but you were part of an effort to get big for football...you just waited until after you arrived on the Hilltop and got introduced to the Burger Fatness.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by formerhoya2 on Mar 5, 2008, 11:58am

True, One. But I was an undersized former linebacker when I arrived. Besides, since when is 20 lbs/year a bad thing?

Of course it'd be awesome to go the other way now...
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by kokomoko on Apr 5, 2008, 12:51pm

Has anyone noticed that former player Brian Golper's younger brother Todd is a 2009 MLB rated 4 stars by both Scout and Rivals? He was rated the #9 MLB in the country by Scout and in the top 13 by Rivals . He just committed to UCLA. Maybe with some push by the coaches who know Brian ,they could get some kids from California who aren't 4 stars to get interested in GU. Funny thing is that Todd sent his highlight tape to the GU coaches after his soph year and all he ever got was a brochure for a summer camp. No one even tried to reach out to Brian or the family.
Re: Recruiting Thread
Post by dfw on Apr 5, 2008, 1:07pm

Sounds like more a situation with Alan Buzbee (who went to New Hampshire instead and really wasn't pursuing Georgetown), as opposed to Chris & Mike Paulus.

Every situation is unique--perhaps the changeover in recruiters for the West played into that.

But in any event Georgetown needs to do a better job of focusing on its strengths and family ties is one of them.