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Post by seaweed on Apr 18, 2024 22:32:46 GMT -5
Except wrasslers. Those dudes can tell you there weight to the ounce any time of day or night. Pretty sure Sorber isn't a wrestler. Nah, but he’s a scrapper and that’s what we need
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Post by bluegray79 on Apr 18, 2024 21:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 18, 2024 21:50:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure that coaches can afford to worry all that much about using playing time to incentivize players to stay with the program. reality seems to be that any upperclass (non-freshman) who does not think they will be starting the following season is fairly likely to transfer, no matter what kind of playing time they got the previous season. a coach will drive himself nuts trying to perfectly calibrate playing time so nobody gets frustrated and consequently decides to transfer I think the best a coach can do is to gather as much talent as he can, with as broad a set of complementary skills as possible. then play the guys who play the best/give you the best chance to win. When the season ends- you find out who wants to transfer, you look at the freshmen you have coming in, and you do the best you can to work the transfer portal to fill in the gaps. Coaches who try to cater to specific players to keep them around next season at the expense of winning games in the current season are playing a bit of a guessing game as to whether the increased playing time will encourage a player to stick around. I just don't think it is worth it to try to thread this needle between player development/satisfaction and on court performance/winning. there are always going to be players who got lots of playing time but still transfer because they think they could lose playing time to incoming frosh/transfers, and/or they think they can get more NIL money somewhere else - no matter how much they played the previous season. We were so bad the past two years that it is tough to use our experience for examples. But guys like Akok and Styles both got lots of playing time and still transferred because they feared loss of playing time and/or saw better NIL opportunities elsewhere. It is a tough system if your goal is to develop talent over time. But I just don't think there are many coaches who are going to succeed at a high level with this kind of player development model. Some have still done well this way,, but if the current free agent/NIL system holds - I think we'll soon see player development models struggle more and more. t he best programs will be the ones that are best at recruiting the right transfers to complement their 2 or 3 returning foundation players.
This is not intended to be a defense of Cooley, but rather a realistic assessment of the current program building landscape. Within these parameters - I think we are off to a good start this off season. But we could still lose someone like Fielder to a transfer if we bring in someone like Traore to compete with him for minutes. Does that mean we don't bring in Traore? I just don't think you can run a program that way anymore. If you think the player is good enough to potentially help your program, you have to bring him in. If the returning player would rather skip to another school than compete for a starting job - so be it. Because any player could decide to bolt for another school at every transfer portal opportunity these days. If you try to build a program from the position of protecting returning players from the risk of competing with other talented players for playing time for fear of them transferring - than it feels like you are coaching from a perspective that fears competition, and that just does not sound like a winning plan. This is exactly how it's always worked for Non BB programs. The key for Cooley & staff is finding that foundational core of players to build around. I'm probably beating a dead horse but to me offensively versatile players like Fielder & Sorber Akok isn't a good example since he never played for Cooley, as for Styles he's gone because Cooley didn't want to match his request for NIL not because he was scared to compete for PT. The talk of finding it hard to give developmental minutes to players when you're trying to win has an opposite side which we saw this past season when the team wasn't winning yet we continued to see the staff give the bulk of the time to the more experienced players. How productive was that strategy for the program?
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Post by thedragon on Apr 18, 2024 21:36:13 GMT -5
How many staff departures is that now? 4 I believe. All moved up at least a level. Fox back to a bench role.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2024 21:32:24 GMT -5
How many staff departures is that now?
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Post by saxagael on Apr 18, 2024 21:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Apr 18, 2024 21:23:55 GMT -5
If you are talking about an athlete, yes an athlete, and you think they have the same exact weight and think they are that exact weight you aren't an athlete or weren't and likely have never known one. Except wrasslers. Those dudes can tell you there weight to the ounce any time of day or night. Yep, and they know their weight fluctuates 3 to 4 pounds over the day. Lightweight rowers are much the same (went through that or trying to drop weight to get on the lightweight boat when my varsity boatmates decided to move from heavyweights to lightweight - 165 pounds). You know exactly what time of day you want to be weighed and what is needed to get to that precise weight. Pretty sure Sorber isn't a wrestler.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 18, 2024 20:52:14 GMT -5
Friday and Saturday the Hoyas travel south for these two meets.
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Post by Retro_hoya on Apr 18, 2024 20:51:47 GMT -5
We might need to retitle this thread. I'll be honest, if you aren't with us for a majority of your college career, I'm not terribly interested in you nor will I look back fondly on your contributions to the university. Wayne Bristol is a Hoya. I don't care if he is taking advantage of his graduate year and transferred in to Gtown after a year. Ryan Mutombo will be a Hoya. Nobody from the 22/23 Hoyas outside of those two counts in my opinion. Wilson is the only one I count from the 21/22 season. I've got to go all the way back to the 20/21 season with Pickett & Blair as a pair of longer term Hoyas. This is a sad state of affairs that not just Georgetown, but college basketball as a whole finds itself in. It makes the product much less enjoyable. I agree with you, but the original post / first few pages of the thread are about the many Ewing Era transfers / refugees and discussion of where they wound up. The title is / was somewhat tongue-in-cheek - the thread was less about true Hoyas and more about players who passed through. It was more interesting before the Cooley Era and the worst of the transfer era as transfers are now just part of the game.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 18, 2024 20:35:01 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 18, 2024 20:32:46 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 18, 2024 20:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 18, 2024 20:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by sweetness on Apr 18, 2024 20:26:13 GMT -5
That is strange - hopefully it's not too disruptive. Need to finish out this campaign strong.
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Post by jackofjoy on Apr 18, 2024 20:25:51 GMT -5
Got paid at every stop. Smart man.
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 18, 2024 20:22:33 GMT -5
Odd.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 18, 2024 20:16:26 GMT -5
No more 18-deep Hoya squads
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 18, 2024 20:00:34 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Apr 18, 2024 19:54:09 GMT -5
Stick around and follow the happy path, even on bad days. Your passion is worthy - maintain a positive channel
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Post by seaweed on Apr 18, 2024 19:51:59 GMT -5
If you are talking about an athlete, yes an athlete, and you think they have the same exact weight and think they are that exact weight you aren't an athlete or weren't and likely have never known one. Except wrasslers. Those dudes can tell you there weight to the ounce any time of day or night.
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