gujake
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Post by gujake on Dec 9, 2010 23:54:07 GMT -5
Have Vaughn and Sims been on the floor together for a single minute this year?
It's definitely possible that I missed it, but I can't recall seeing them out there at the same time.
I understand that Sims is Vaughn's backup and they play a similar role, but it does seem a little strange to me that we would not at least try putting them out there at the same time, especially given our problems with interior defense.
Thoughts on this?
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Post by grokamok on Dec 10, 2010 7:55:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing it in certain situations. <sighs at a memory from 1989>
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skyhoya
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Post by skyhoya on Dec 10, 2010 8:57:08 GMT -5
Moses can add that post play with either of them, I hope
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Post by strummer8526 on Dec 10, 2010 9:02:26 GMT -5
I wanted this with Roy and Macklin, and Greg and Henry. It just doesn't happen for some reason.
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joey0403p
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 10, 2010 10:18:50 GMT -5
I would think this would be our preferred zone defense. henry in the middle, JV on 1 wing, Hollis on the other, Free and Chris up top. That would be a long, long defense.
I think we are going to need JV and sims for offense though vs cuse and their zone.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 10, 2010 10:30:13 GMT -5
The last 2 years Henry was mostly brought into game to play big forward. I think this was why he made most of his mistakes. He is a center period. He is not Monroe and can not do the things offensively a Big forward needs to do in this system to be effective. Would have liked to have seen Monroe and Sims in at same time last year with Monroe at 4 and Henry at 5 but it did not happen much if at all. Do not , repeat do not put Henry in with Vaughn because Vaughn can only play the center position also, so Sims would be forced to play the 4 position, where he is least capable.,
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richfame
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Post by richfame on Dec 10, 2010 12:16:16 GMT -5
Honestly none of our bits are that good. Does it really matter which big lays with which big. They are all average at best. We are a guard centric team. I Think the better question is how do we get vee more minutes. Four guard offense.
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 10, 2010 12:20:43 GMT -5
not sure why but i dont think this would be good two and then three headed center is more like it not sure why just in my humble opinion cant wait to see moses getting some time in before the big east will need him then and hope he practicing foul shots as big john told him he wouldnt play AT ALL unlesss he practiced that and improved alot.. hmm three headed center hmm three headed golden magic threee hmm move on beat appl state go hoyas dont think we will or should see juju and oh henry together at once just my thought!!  |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Dec 10, 2010 12:24:49 GMT -5
Lol at the thought of Julian Vaughn attempting to guard a wing...did any of you see how fast Moore went by him last night?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 10, 2010 12:44:09 GMT -5
Honestly none of our bits are that good. Does it really matter which big lays with which big. They are all average at best. We are a guard centric team. I Think the better question is how do we get vee more minutes. Four guard offense. The problem with a 4-guard offense is the resulting 4-guard defense - we have enough trouble with our 3-guard defense at times. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 10, 2010 12:48:48 GMT -5
The only way I ever see JV and Henry together is against a team with 2 bigs, for example Syracuse if Jackson and Melo are both in, neither of whom has range beyond 3 feet. Then we not only might get away with 2 big guys, we might actually need them both to be able to guard the 2 opposing big men.
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Post by grokamok on Dec 10, 2010 13:19:42 GMT -5
Lol at the thought of Julian Vaughn attempting to guard a wing...did any of you see how fast Moore went by him last night? That kind of thing happens when you are rushing out to stop the 3 from the center position instead of being in wing defensive position from the start. That said, Bilas was right that he didn't close out the baseline when he did so. |
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Post by grokamok on Dec 10, 2010 13:23:55 GMT -5
The only way I ever see JV and Henry together is against a team with 2 bigs, for example Syracuse if Jackson and Melo are both in, neither of whom has range beyond 3 feet. Then we not only might get away with 2 big guys, we might actually need them both to be able to guard the 2 opposing big men. Against the 'Cuse and certain others with multiple inside-oriented big men, I'd see it being more for blocking out and preventing the offensive rebound/easy putback than for defending two bigs in the paint at once (since that offensive strategy clogs the lane and rarely works). Of course, if there's a situation where two opposing bigs have a game outside of 6 feet, defensive matchups could be more relevant. |
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 11, 2010 13:05:58 GMT -5
CO wrote up the lineups here and found that JV and HS haven't played together. My quick analysis of the small sample size -- the defense is much better with Henry in there. And when JV is overmatched offensively (against anyone taller than him), Henry needs to be playing the majority of minutes. |
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Post by gohoyas408 on Dec 11, 2010 13:16:01 GMT -5
I think JV will be ok, my only question is he seems to gas fairly quickly during games. Hope he improves his conditioning because we're going to need him during the season.
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