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Post by tonyparker on Jul 19, 2010 21:13:49 GMT -5
A way too early prediction of how I see the 200 minutes being shared after a couple of weeks of Kenner. Given the strength of our backcourt, I think Hollis will be playing a lot of minutes at the 4. Also, I think Vee and Bowen will force themselves into the rotation early in the season, but only one will be getting time as the season progresses. Finally, I think in time Jerelle and Moses will drop from the rotation (I was tempted to give even more minutes to Wright, Clark, and Freeman).
1: Chris Wright (30 Minutes)/Markel Starks (15 Minutes)
2: Jason Clark (25 Minutes)/Vee Sanford (8 Minutes)
3: Austin Freeman (30 Minutes)/Aaron Bowen (8 Minutes)
4: Henry Sims (15 Minutes)/Hollis Thompson (20 Minutes)/Jerelle Benimon (3 Minutes)
5: Julian Vaughn (25 Minutes)/Nate Lubick (15 Minutes)/Moses Abraham (6 Minutes)
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Post by idhoya on Jul 19, 2010 21:21:47 GMT -5
i'll wait and see on Hollis @ the 4.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jul 19, 2010 22:20:55 GMT -5
Hollis won't play the four and Nate won't play the five.....
Henry, at this point, probably won't play the four, Aaron is a two, and Vee is a one
All of these projections have the above guys playing their secondary positions, which is the LAST thing we want with this team
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jul 19, 2010 22:41:30 GMT -5
Give me:
PG - Chris (40)
SG - Austin (40)
SF - Jason (40)
PF - Hollis (40)
C - Vaughn (40)
Make the other guys earn it. If we're going with Munchkin Ball, we might as well mean it this year.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 19, 2010 23:09:20 GMT -5
People always take these threads too seriously... A pre-emptive word to those who will freak out about somebody playing HT at 4, not giving enough minutes to VS, playing HS too many minutes, etc.... it's not that serious, it's just pre-season message board banter.
I think the 9 man will be:
1. Chris
2. Jason
3. Austin
4. Nate
5. Julian
6. Hollis
7. Jerelle or Henry... guess HS for now, but it could be like last year
8. Vee
9. Markel or Aaron
I don't see any way we play more than 9. I'd be happy if we played 9, and not 7 or 8 like usual.
I'll guess.... very, very tentative... that by February/March, we're playing
PG: Chris (30), Starks (10)
SG: Clark (25), Sanford (10), Freeman (5)
SF: Freeman (25), Thompson (15)
PF: Lubick (20), Vaughn (10), Thompson (10)
C: Vaughn (15), Sims (25)
We'll see what happens. I'd love to say that there are minutes for Markel, Aaron and Vee, but given that we've got 2 potential all-conference guards as it is, I'm not sure I see it. I think 2 of em at most will play. May the best men win, and hopefully everybody handles it ok.
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Post by jkhoya12 on Jul 20, 2010 13:43:43 GMT -5
People always take these threads too seriously... A pre-emptive word to those who will freak out about somebody playing HT at 4, not giving enough minutes to VS, playing HS too many minutes, etc.... it's not that serious, it's just pre-season message board banter. I think the 9 man will be: 1. Chris 2. Jason 3. Austin 4. Nate 5. Julian 6. Hollis 7. Jerelle or Henry... guess HS for now, but it could be like last year 8. Vee 9. Markel or Aaron I don't see any way we play more than 9. I'd be happy if we played 9, and not 7 or 8 like usual. I'll guess.... very, very tentative... that by February/March, we're playing PG: Chris (30), Starks (10) SG: Clark (25), Sanford (10), Freeman (5) SF: Freeman (25), Thompson (15) PF: Lubick (20), Vaughn (10), Thompson (10) C: Vaughn (15), Sims (25) We'll see what happens. I'd love to say that there are minutes for Markel, Aaron and Vee, but given that we've got 2 potential all-conference guards as it is, I'm not sure I see it. I think 2 of em at most will play. May the best men win, and hopefully everybody handles it ok. I think you just forgot, but I doubt that Moses would be redshirting this season. |
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jul 20, 2010 13:44:49 GMT -5
I'm hoping for Chris and Austin to be on the floor nearly the entire game. Nice that we can finally talk about "senior leadership" and "heady players w/experience" mentioned in the same breath as GU's backcourt again
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Jul 20, 2010 14:33:24 GMT -5
Chris and Austin are the two best players on the team and good bets to be in the running for BE POY. Thus, we do want them both on the court at a minimum of 35 mins each--it just makes the most sense.
The thing that stinks is we have Markel, Vee, and Aaron--and all of us seem to be really high on Aaron right now from reports. None of the three can really play the "3" so we can really almost guarantee one of them pretty much will never play. It sucks, because we know all three are extremely talented--just no way a better option than Chris/Austin.
Hollis/Jason share the other spot.
Julian is a guaranteed started, but he cannot play more than 30 mins a game IF that. That leaves us with Nate, Moses, and Henry. If one of those three does not step up in a major way, let's face it, we aren't going anywhere or note this year.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Jul 20, 2010 14:34:54 GMT -5
I left off JB, but, I am sorry, I am not a huge fan--he is scrappy and can play spot minutes--but just does not have the overall talent to be a real performer.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jul 20, 2010 14:48:52 GMT -5
aaron is much more suited as a 3 than a 2 right now....haven't seen enough of his handle to be a consistent 2...i really wish that hollis would progress enough to start him at the 3 but from limited action seen this summer i don't see that happening. Hollis is not a 4. Too much theoretical (for those that want to debate using freshman as depth before they step on the court) depth at 4 for him to need to play minutes here.
i see benimon's minutes drastically reduced this year....we needed his scrapiness last year but offensively he is too much of a liability unfortunately
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jul 20, 2010 15:05:23 GMT -5
I'm skeptical of us playing Vee, not in the way that I don't want us to, but in the way that we won't for some reason. I have that sinking "Starks is our PG of the future, sorry Vee" feeling.
I think we play 7 1/2 again. I don't want us to, but I just don't see any indications that we'll expand the rotation.
Chris 35 Starks 5
Clark 35 Austin 5
Austin 30 Thompson 10
Thompson 20 Lubick 20
Vaughn 28 Sims 12
Now, let it be known this arrangement scares me defensively to no end. But based on past rotations, this is where I think we end up.
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2010 15:12:05 GMT -5
Just to demonstrate how pointless this is - could any one even produce a chart, like the one from the OP, for the actual minutes played this past season?
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Post by Boz on Jul 20, 2010 15:22:21 GMT -5
I say we experiment with minutes in the early part of the season.
Then, in the first Syracuse game, whoever flattens Kris Joseph first gets the most minutes for the rest of the season.
Whoever flattens Kris Joseph second, gets the second most minutes.
Whoever runs over to Kris Joseph's stretcher and pops him one in the nose just for good measure, third most minutes.
Beyond that, it'll all work itself out.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jul 20, 2010 15:38:46 GMT -5
Just to demonstrate how pointless this is - could any one even produce a chart, like the one from the OP, for the actual minutes played this past season? Absolutely not. |
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Post by CO_Hoya on Jul 20, 2010 15:55:35 GMT -5
Just to demonstrate how pointless this is - could any one even produce a chart, like the one from the OP, for the actual minutes played this past season? Absolutely not. Actually, it's not very hard. Look at the second half of the article here ( link), then just set up a spreadsheet to make your table. |
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2010 16:21:15 GMT -5
Actually, it's not very hard. Look at the second half of the article here ( link), then just set up a spreadsheet to make your table. Ok, make the chart. Also, please specify whether Monroe was the 4 and Julian the 5, or Monroe the 5 and Julian the 4 when they were on the floor at the same time. |
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Post by stafford72 on Jul 20, 2010 18:02:11 GMT -5
Now that there appears to be some adequate depth on the roster, I expect Austin's minutes to be reduced somewhat to preserve his health. Perhaps in the 28-30 range. Julian needs to do a better job of eliminating fouls or his minutes will drop as well. In any event, for a change, finding minutes is a good problem to be faced with.
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Post by CO_Hoya on Jul 20, 2010 18:07:19 GMT -5
Also, please specify whether Monroe was the 4 and Julian the 5, or Monroe the 5 and Julian the 4 when they were on the floor at the same time. I don't understand this. To me, the numbers 1-5 are just arbitrary, especially in the modified Princeton offense. So you could simply index the players by height, or some combination of height and weight if you'd prefer. Is there more to it that I'm not getting? |
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Post by kchoya on Jul 20, 2010 18:36:53 GMT -5
Also, please specify whether Monroe was the 4 and Julian the 5, or Monroe the 5 and Julian the 4 when they were on the floor at the same time. I don't understand this. To me, the numbers 1-5 are just arbitrary, especially in the modified Princeton offense. So you could simply index the players by height, or some combination of height and weight if you'd prefer. Is there more to it that I'm not getting? Clark--Freeman--Monroe--Vaughn--Wright The OP has this breakdown:1: Chris Wright (30 Minutes)/Markel Starks (15 Minutes) 2: Jason Clark (25 Minutes)/Vee Sanford (8 Minutes) 3: Austin Freeman (30 Minutes)/Aaron Bowen (8 Minutes) 4: Henry Sims (15 Minutes)/Hollis Thompson (20 Minutes)/Jerelle Benimon (3 Minutes) 5: Julian Vaughn (25 Minutes)/Nate Lubick (15 Minutes)/Moses Abraham (6 Minutes) You can't translate between the two. With that lineup I posted, how do you decide whether Vaughn or Monroe gets put into the "5" slot? Is Clark at 1, or 2 or a 3 in the lineup?
My point is that it's pointless to put players in to such a classification and then try and guess at the allocation of minutes -- especially (as you point out) in the Georgetown system. |
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 20, 2010 19:47:22 GMT -5
Like I said in my last post, it isn't that serious, just offseason chatter. You seem pretty hung up on how "pointless" it is, I think that's kind of a given. I think it's pretty safe to say that III will play somewhere between 6 and 12 guys, more likely between 7 and 9 or 10. And I think people can somewhat reasonably take a stab at who they'll be and how many minutes for each. We may be totally wrong, but hey, it's something to talk about.
FWIW, based on history, Giga's lineup is probably the best guess. I would like to think that this will be the year that III finally goes a little deeper, but I'll believe it when I see it. Short rotation with the most talented players, even if the size isn't there, seems to be his inclination.
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